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The two. he said so in other words and made the distinction clear that the information obtained that was useful didn't come from enhanced interrogation. >> gary, you think otherwise. you think enhanced interrogation is effective, correct? >> oh, i think it's -- as i've stated before, there's two things here. there's coercion and the moral issue of whether you should be doing it or not. i've seen countries enemies of ours using coercion effectively to destroy networks, uncovering people used against them and i've seen allies using coercion that support us in operations. you know, whether the u....

This episode as related to a video that created a mob that turned into a riot was far afield, and at the end of the day we're going to get to the bottom of this. we have to have a system we can trust. and if you don't know what happened, just say you don't know what happened. people can push you to give explanations, and you can say, i don't want to give bad information. here is what i can tell you, the american people got bad information on 16 september, they got bad information from president obama, days after, and the question is, should they have been giving the information at all? if you ...