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Dossier is a fake document made politically by the democrats which, by the way, began by conservative republicans, a billionaire conservative republican funded it initially. but the point is this, fred, an application for a warrant. the source of the information doesn't matter. the credibility of the information is all that matters. and -- >> they were already looking at carter page. there were other things. but the dossier came kind of late in the game. go ahead. >> this is nothing more than a propaganda machine to lay the foundation to fire rob rosenstein. that's all this is. for the preside...

>> right. >> and jack kingston was arguing he wasn't asked about this. so somehow the fact that he offered up this information doesn't matter. but that's not true. he was under oath. he said this. i think it's totally plausible that what he said was true, that he was thinking one way when he got the question. but then why not correct the record after the fact? what about the staffers that were in the meeting? i also would love to know basically is this is a regular thing for him? if so, did he meet with the ambassador in the preceding year? just some basic information. >> but then also, too, i...

They're overplaying their hand. that was my exact thought. >> the big problem all along is we in the media, we chase the latest bright thing and shiny thing. that's it right now. the really important issue is this larger question of getting an independent investigation of what the connections are with russia. >> i cut you off. you said additionally, cleveland you thought was a little overblown. then you said additionally -- >> that's right. i think the sessions meeting with the russian ambassador in cleveland probably doesn't matter too much. the meeting in washington, i mean that's a good thi...