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Carry this as a counterintelligence investigation, because counterintelligence is just an information gathering exercise. the regs, when you appoint a special counsel, say you are i supposed to describe the offenses that require a criminal investigation and that the justice department is recused from, and the importance of that, criminal investigation has a beginning and an end. it's got concrete elements that you know you have to prove to prove the transaction is being investigated, whereas counterintelligence can go on forever. and in some sense, because it is about threats to the united sta...

Anybody you might be able to -- i'm not defending the behavior, some of the really dumb behavior. this could be done to anybody if you wanted to do it to somebody. am i overstating? >> this is why i was so excited beginning, tucker, that they carry this as a counterintelligence investigation, because counterintelligence is just an information gathering exercise. when you appoint a special counsel, they say you are supposed to describe the offenses that require a criminal investigation, and that the justice department is recused from, and the importance of that, criminal investigation as a begi...