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As a cover. emmanuel macron, these efforts are crucial. to severely poke and prod and see what vladimir putin's thoughts are and what his intentions are. diplomacy in this sense is an information gathering exercise. just as diplomacy right now by the united states has masterfully crafted to organize sanctions to put more pressure on vladimir putin and to ensure that the choices before him are clear and so that he does come to the table with serious intent to actually engage and cut a deal to end this vile, grotesque, conflict of choice that he has unleashed on civilian population. unleashed on...

Russians, most of the ones who have been fingered, including cohen and manafort and stone, most of them have been focused on lying. you're lying to congress, lying to investigators, that's it. i'm wondering if it has veered off course. >> i don't think it ever had a course, neil. that's the problem. we talked about this before. i think it was given -- the fbi took it as a counter intelligence investigation and that's the way mueller inherited it. the problem with a counter intelligence investigation is unlike a criminal investigation, it doesn't have a crime as a target. it's really just an in...

In like any minute now. neil: right. >> are being overly optimistic. that doesn't mean that he's got something big coming down the pike necessarily because i think if he did, he wouldn't be allowing people who would be potential witnesses to be sentenced, rather than old back their sentencing until they've been able to testify. but i do think there are loose ends here and let's not forget, this from the beginning was a counter intelligence investigation, not just a criminal investigation. and as i have tried to stress, counterintelligence is really just an information gathering exercise and th...

Ordinarily counter intelligence doesn't get a prosecutor. it's not lawyer work. when you a sign a prosecutor to a counter intelligence investigation rather than a criminal investigation it's very open-ended. it's just an information gathering exercise. >> if i a sign someone to investigate whether there is a conspiracy between trump and the kremlin to hack into democratic computer systems, i know i have a crime. finite transaction with a beginning and end, essential elements to the crime. the good thing about that is i go in, spend a reasonable amount of time investigating. if i can make the c...

Fitness to be president. his narrow job as federal prosecutor is i'm authorized to look at these potential criminal charges. there is enough evidence to charge or isn't enough evidence to charge. usually in the justice department that's a narrow and short summary. >> maybe the summary will be narrow but it field like the scope of the whole thing was just sort of indiscriminate. i believes the general public believes it was all about potential pollution -- collusion with the trump campaign and russia and that it went off immediately and stayed off course. >> it wasn't meant to be on course beca...