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Winning the argument and there is something cataclysmic going on in terms of the support for his regime. this is a major break, i think, inside russia. that's not to say the regime will fall or putin will fall anytime soon, we're horrible at making those kinds of picks so we should be careful but the fact he's taking more extreme measures, turning russia into north korea suggests to me he understands he's losing this war and losing his peoples' support for this war. >> katty? >> yeah, if you look at what's happening in russia tonight, you have bbc news, bloomberg news pulling their reporting o...

Would even be military action around the site because this is a -- it's a radiation waste zone, so that certainly raised, in my mind, the concerns, if there were to be any type of efforts to try and take over the actual operating reactors, and those reactors certainly pose much more of a significant potential for radiation releases, which given that some of those are more centrally located in ukraine, could impact ukraine more than they would immediately the neighboring countries. >> okay. i understand. james, i guess what should the international community do when faced with this? >> well, th...

Have not, creating a reason for russian troops to go in, and third they're creating the legal pretext by annexing these provinces and basically saying well, we're invited in, we have a legal right to be here, that's an effort by blunt international criticism because there has been universal condemnation by the west, by the united states and by our allies in europe against these very aggressive moves by putin. i think putin has made the decision, biden made that clear, putin made the decision, the only question is how much will he gobble up, in what phases and under what timeline. i don't think...

People that will be idp in europe. i don't believe this, actually. i still don't -- >> there is a russian -- >> yeah. >> there is a russian disinformation campaign, you're absolutely right about that. many in russia do believe that what vladimir putin is doing to the people of ukraine -- >> supporting what he's doing. >> they are believing that, yeah. listen, we want you to be safe. be safe, you and juryour son. we know there is an assault on mariupol and we'll continue to cover it for you and get the information out, but it is everyone's -- >> i think that it's highly, highly important for th...

To see liz cheney lead, and i think one of the reasons they're not giving all of these names out as you were just talking to kaitlan out is this did give them a little bit of momentum, and you want to dribble information out. it's probably strategic to a degree because these people know who they are who are texting meadows, and liz cheney has them in her back pocket, and maybe they don't know all the names of people yet because they have to match phone numbers to people. they weren't given a list of names of people. but cheney is really really leading the pack here, and i think she's decided t...