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You and others have done to point out how much our democracy may be in peril right now. not enough americans are finding that resonates with them. >> well, i'm hopeful that americans are still going to wake up to what's really going on. i think that january 6th commission as more and more information rolls out and, remember, ali, that we still have the hearings that this committee is going to have, in public, and i'm hopeful during primetime, which will allow everyday americans to see the absolute attempted coup of our democracy by donald trump and his miniyo minions who worked w inside and ou...

About security clearances. but as you get more and more information about this, you really are just stunned at how reck less almost cavalier this white house is with respect to security clearances. and as more information rolls in from jared kushner's activities, you just cannot make a logical case that he should keep a security clearance. >> at this point have you evolved on that, that you believe he should not now have a security clearance, which it seems different than what you were saying last week? >> i definitely believe if you look at all of this evidence, you can feel the contacts with...

Truth, why does jared kushner have a security clearance? >> if the flynn standard still holds, frankly there's a question why jared kushner is still in the white house, but certainly a more immediate question about whether it's appropriate for him to have security clearance. >> if it were anyone but jared kushner, son-in-law of the president, he would be fired. but also clearly his security clearance revoked, and i think it should be. >> as more information rolls in from jared kushner's activities, you just cannot make a logical case that he should keep his security clearance. >> is that a leg...

Democratic senator ron wyden. >> as you get more and more information about this you really are just stunned at how reckless, almost cavalier this white house is with respect to security clearances. and as more information rolls in from jared kushner's activities you just cannot make a logical case that he should keep his security clearance. >> back now with the panel. kirsten, i mean, you know, easy for democrats to complain about it. unless the president decides -- first of all, he doesn't have a final security clearance yet and we understand some staffers in the white house are concerned he...

About security clearances. but as you get more and more information about this, you really are just stunned at how reckless almost cavalier this white house is with respect to security clearances. and as more information rolls in from jared kushner's activities, you just cannot make a logical case that he should keep his security clearance. >> at this point have you evolved oen that. you believe he should not have a security clearance. >> i definitely believe if you look at all of this evidence he concealed contacts with the russians on the security clearance reform, and attended a meeting bil...