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We know paul manafort is a guy who she said this morning likes to game the system. the best way he could game the system in this instance where he's stuck staring at the abyss. he's got these years of jail time looking forward to. the only out for him right now is to get a pardon. it does seem like his strategy is geared towards that. >> and harry litman, the president has not ruled out a pardon. according to sarah sanders and the questions that have been asked in recent days by our colleagues at the white house, there's no ruling out of a pardon in this case. >> far from it. we now have infor...

Department plans to file suit against the law and arizona's governor is angry that news of the federal lawsuit broke during an interview in ecuador with secretary of state hillary clinton. >> president obama has spoken out against the law because he thinks that the federal government should be determining immigration policy. > >> mm-hmm. >> and the justice department, under his direction, will be bringing a lawsuit against the act. >> that is just totally outrageous that the people of arizona would have to get this information vis-a-vis a blog from the president of our country from hillary cli...

Absolutely right. if i had my druthers, i would say don't take on health care and immigration. don't take on big things that we keep kicking down the road. but this is the president who has shown some of the courage and leadership. he says, you know what? just because it's not popular, we're going to lay a stronger foundation. think he's going take on immigration. >> she was outraged. she was here. she said, bring it on. it's not the way to do business. listen. >> that is just totally outrageous, and the people of arizona would have to get this information vis-a-vis a blog from the president o...