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Appropriate on electric vehicles. shouldn't electric vehicles or hybrid vehicles pay their fair share in terms of infrastructure needs, roads and bridges. i think there's some discussion left on those topics. >> is that code for it may end up not being in the final package? >> well, it may not, but the administration, therefore, will need to come forward with other ideas without raising taxes. what we don't want to do is hurt the economy right now as we're coming out of this pandemic by raising taxes on working families, and that's, frankly, what's done in the $6 trillion package, the largest ...

What points are deal killers? and if in the end it does require reconciliation, is that possible without senator manchin? >> it's a good question. it's not just senator manchin. you had senator john tester, senator mark warner raise concerns about the cost, the price tag of the bigger plan. so it's not just senator manchin, but as with everything in this current senate, senator manchin is the hinge point in many respects. i think you have republicans who -- some republicans who think we need to have an infrastructure package. there are actual infrastructure needs and even republicans who share...

Money, not the over $1 trillion joe biden said is necessary to address infrastructure needs. the second is where is the pay for? the pay for this kind of a bill should be by making sure that the richest 1% of corporations and individuals in the country make their fair share, which they're not. there's always a question as to whether or not climate is even adequately addressed. the second part, you said there may be enough support among republicans for the family act portion. i don't think so because that is the portion that will enable millions of women who have had to leave the workforce beca...

Infrastructure needs in west virginia. he doesn't like all the green-new-deal stuff that -- that's in the biden plan. but i can very much see joe biden making a deal or doing whatever is necessary to get an infrastructure bill that brings back millions to west virginia. channeling his best memory of robert c. byrd. >> jonathan, quickly, before we go. will there be something on voting rights that joe manchin will support and join the democrats on in the senate? >> yeah. he supports the john lewis voting rights act. and i would remind you, he was secretary of state and he was governor. he knows ...

The feeling that there won't be any movement on the voting rights, built for the people acts but on infrastructure to agree with jonathan that if he can't get to 60 republicans on infrastructure, he has to get some kind of infrastructure to bring back to west virginia and how do it with democrats alone if he has to? >> i think he will. and remember he went with reconciliation on the job spill a couple of months back and then he made a big deal is coming back to west virginia saying i'm bringing millions of dollars to west virginia counties in cities and made a point of trying to illustrate tha...