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Last thanksgiving, then crist, then the beginning new year. i'm joined by an expert who can be see through all the vines, ken dilanian. this is nonsense. you know, first of all, i have no idea that he -- you you have some evidence what they've got on trump and then he says i have no idea what it is. is this guy worth listening to? nunberg? does he know anything? >> the most interesting thing he said he thinks they're using him to build a case against roger stone. >> the domino thing, get roger, you get manafort, get flynn, get the president. >> yeah, he seemed -- and also, he's telling us he b...

President didn't pay him back. which means the president knew republicans should be calling for an investigationing. >ing whatting if obama in been caught. >> they would have called for his impeachment. >> a republican person, a persona. >> i am because i believe in conservatism. it the root word of conservatism means to conserve. if you're going to report you're conserving family values to the institutions of our society to the bedrock of our society, then you have to call out these things. otherwise it's hypocritical. >> let's talk the law of this thing. this is "hardball," it's not somethin...