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That is palpable. that's not just my opinion. you see it in every survey of consumer confidence of small business. this country is soaring in every way, particularly economically. so your idea that we are fear-based i think is wrong on its premise, first of all. >> i'm not saying the country is scared. i'm saying that some of the most identifiable tactics that the gop is using to get people out to the polls are based on fear. for example, ingram saying, go vote, steve, or some immigrant is going to take your place. go vote, steve, or the mob is going to get you. that's what they're saying. tha...

To the polls are based on fear. for example, ingram saying, go vote, steve, or some immigrant is going to take your place. go vote, steve, or the mob is going to get you. that's what they're saying. that's fear based. >> sure, let's be careful about our terms. first of all, i'm saying we're not fear based, we're optimism based. the optimism in the land is palpable. regarding what laura said, regarding what -- you can laugh, but it's the reality. >> go ahead. >> she's not talking about immigrants. she's talking about illegal aliens who are here -- >> she actually said newly amnestied citizens. ...