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Sending to us that criminal illegal aliens will be protected and citizens will not? >> very powerful message and the president is hearing you. he tweeted this week about all the gang members and said he was deeply frustrated with this, ben. last point from you about what you see happening next. >> well, you see it all across the country right now. we have it coming from the federal government and god bless donald trump and the administration, sessions for coming in and filing the lawsuits. we support that. we support the cities and municipalities, the counties standing up and rejecting the san...

Measure, arguing voters are in no position to weigh the scientific evidence or understand the impact of vetoing part of a multi-wrong response to local public health crisis. superior court judge veronica galvin agreed and instruct on the initiative, ruling it "interferes with the duties and obligations of the board and county counsel." >> when our representatives don't listen to citizens anymore, we still have the initiative process to make sure our voices heard. it's not interference. it should be welcomed input. >> and states that allow initiatives, they're about all kinds of ballot measures...

So they turned the whole thing upside down -- let's stop it. people got it. paying attention more and more. remember, i said, we lost four times this initiative. and the fifth five, itime, it w. so, i think the rest of the country will be an uphill battle. but it's totally doable. i think we can go state to state. there's 37 states that have initiative process that can go directly to the people with a proposition. just in california. and i think we can use that means to get to the people, the legislature or someone to cooperate that want to create the reforms. and the rest can do it through th...

Communication. certain subjects that are very difficult to communicate to the mass. because people don't have much time to listen to a 30 minute video or to read a lot about something because there's so many issues out there. you've got to be able to find a way of communicating very quickly. just say, what we did in california, told voters, the politicians are picking the voters. but this is supposed to be the other way around, the voters pick the politicians and so they've turned the whole thing upside down, let's stop it. then they started paying attention more and more. like i said, remembe...

Us. sorry about that. to get to your question, the only way we can do it is what we did in california. as california goes, the rest of the nation goes. that's what they always say and that's what we want to do. in california, we have reformed the system. they are an independent panel drawing the lines. since then, things have changed. now the republicans are talking about immigration reform. now the democrats are siding with the chamber of commerce and voting 90% with the chamber of commerce. things have totally changed since then. this is the kind -- it's not the only way to make changes. but...