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Could he have done a bit more? perhaps. but he actually pursued the right policy. when i was at the national security council and certainly any of the agencies i worked for, if you saw any kind of problem telling the inside counsel was the way to go. having some kind of record. right? whether it was -- for what they did, reaching out to counsel was the right maneuver. the counsel, h.r., many avenues to purchase see and they did the right thing and had it on the record. i do thinks that wa where it landed. i wouldn't be surprised now given that bolton is out if he's not going to end up being a ...

>> i think so. look, i think one of my biggest criticisms of donald trump is the people that are around him sometimes don't help him articulate some of these accomplishments very well. and i think if he looked at the carrier announcement, he deserved immense credit for that for doing what a leader should do. standing up and saying, look, if you move these jobs out of the country, there's going to be consequences. barack obama when he was running in '08 said that, he told union leaders, if you need my help, i'll walk the line with you. and so i think to have a president or an incoming president...