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Well was a series of innumerable debates, and that's not perry's wheelhouse, and it served the purpose of getting rid of some of these guys. >> i've been thinking about this today, did he show loyalty to the conservative movement by stepping out and not splitting up the vote and immediately endorsing another candidate, in this case, newt gingrich? is he leading the anti-mitt charge right now? >> well, i think that's the role he would like to play, but i really think that this was a bit more pragmatic than that, ed, because truthfully, an endorsement from rick perry is like getting a lead life ...

Or think analytically, he does very, very well. but one thing that didn't work well was a series of innumerable debates, and that's not perry's wheelhouse, and it served the purpose of getting rid of some of these guys. >> i've been thinking about this today, did he show loyalty to the conservative movement by stepping out and not splitting up the vote and immediately endorsing another candidate, in this case, newt gingrich? is he leading the anti-mitt charge right now? >> well, i think that's the role he would like to play, but i really think that this was a bit more pragmatic than that, ed, ...

Well was a series of innumerable debates, and that's not perry's wheelhouse, and it served the purpose of getting rid of some of these guys. >> i've been thinking about this today, did he show loyalty to the conservative movement by stepping out and not splitting up the vote and immediately endorsing another candidate, in this case, newt gingrich? is he leading the anti-mitt charge right now? >> well, i think that's the role he would like to play, but i really think that this was a bit more pragmatic than that, ed, because truthfully, an endorsement from rick perry is like getting a lead life ...