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Countless hours during those four years, as did many otherses, and i just thought scowcroft was masterful. paul: so you need that honest broker quality so that everybody who has a point of view at a senior level gets to make his case and say, look, mr. president, you've got to think about this and that. you don't want somebody who's going to be too secretive and close off debate. >> yeah. i think there's no perfect way to run this process, but the national security adviser, i think, has two positions, one on the input side, the president knows what he needs to know to make the best informed de...

Countless hours during those four years, as did many otherses, and i just thought scowcroft was masterful. paul: so you need that honest broker quality so that everybody who has a point of view at a senior level gets to make his case and say, look, mr. president, you've got to think about this and that. you don't want somebody who's going to be too secretive and close off debate. >> yeah. i think there's no perfect way to run this process, but the national security adviser, i think, has two positions, one on the input side, the president knows what he needs to know to make the best informed de...

Couple things. the input side, the price of corn and output side, what are gasoline prices doing. >> reporter: you're still cheaper than gasoline? >> that's right. ethanol is 25 or 30 cents under gasoline. >> reporter: i appreciate it. this is it what a ethanol plant looks like. you can see that out there. they're making ethanol. they're competing that is the marketplace for you. jenna: certainly is, the food versus fuel debate continues on. thank you very much. jeff flock in illinois. rick: imagine if your morning commute, the train schedule looked like this? take a look at that. this is what...