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Think, secondary at this point. there is -- there are matters of state and matters of principle at stake here. >> all right. >> joe, i can pipe up on the question of mcgahn's testimony with just one caution here? >> sure. >> i fully agree that there's an ongoing, flagrant article of impeachment occurring before us in plain sight in terms of the trump administration's ongoing obstruction of congress. but if you look at the judge's ruling, she made clear both that mcgahn is obligated to come and testify, but also that if he did come and testify there are all sorts of potential privileges, execut...

More money on defense that be just about any -- any other nation in -- and of course it's not a nation, but we're talking about nato and the europe oncommunity thatoeuropeian community that's been attacked for mott spending their fair share. they spend more than russia, correct? >> they spend 300 billion with a "b" dollars a year on defense. it's extraordinary. biggest problem with it, joe, they don't spend it collectively. each country makes its own decisions so the whole is much less than the sum of its parts. issue is not how much the europeans are spending, it's how they're spending it. th...

Both the will and the ability to push back hard. so my guess is this goes on for a while. >> all right, richard, thank you. i know you need to take off. joining us now, member of of the house judiciary committee and the chair of the congressional black caucus, democratic congresswoman karen bass of california. good to have you on this morning. >> thank you. >> what do you believe is eminent in the impeachment proceedings that actually will not end up in the white house blocking someone talking? >> well, we begin our process tomorrow and, you know, we're going to begin by scholars talking abo...

Blame" and the house committee responsible for drafting articles of impeachment is expected to get the case against the president tonight. member of the judiciary committee karen bass will join us. for more on that key next step. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. step. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be rightac bk. (employee) enterprise car sales has access to over

Time, you know, we'll see him meeting with world leaders. he's going to have a press conference tomorrow and all the while impeachment is going to be hanging over this. >> all right. carol lee, thank you very much. at this point it's hard not to be incredibly embarrassed watching him speak on the world stage with, you know, the french president who i feel like does his best to try and make it a palatable conversation. >> but there's a context here which is the french president won after nato, right after the president did the change of policy in syria. what this was was actually going back 40,...