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Open, a very open process, which to me means a special commission. >> when you talk about nunes and he's come under fire this week because of some of his actions going to the white house. talking to reporters before talking to his colleagues on the intelligence committee about some new information that he said he had, but he wouldn't name sources from where he was getting the information. because he has asked for this hearing, the upcoming hearing with mike rodgers and the fbi director, james comey to be closed. as you mentioned that is not uncommon. i mean could it be that he wants to make su...

Assemblyman gordon johnson and nbc news national investigative correspondent michael isikoff. thank you both for coming on the show. >> thank you, reverend sharpton for having me. >> assemblyman johnson, let me start with you. what do you make of these new allegations? >> let me say, reverend sharpton, that it's very troubling, of course, for the governor to come before the people of the state of new jersey and come before the people of new jersey to state that he had no knowledge of this action that was taken by his inside circle, by his inner circle. the collect committee of investigation th...

To get into the president's head. what we needed to do was have an awareness of the inside circle. who do we know who's sitting around the president at this moment and what might we imagine are the multiple conversation going on and what history are they reading here. we know we have samantha power sitting there, who is undoubtedly thinking of the bosnian moment, the rwanda moment, who is saying to the president, yes, again i'm making this up. i do not actually know that samantha power said these things. i am not quoting her. but my bet is there is a line of argument coming from many from the ...

Factor. the real unusual factor is there's a theme. every person he pardoned, including jack johnson including what he thought was unfair and it was unfair, are all people he believes are celebrity figures taken to task through a witch hunt and are mistreated by the prosecutors trying to get a conviction of somebody who is high profile. that's the overarching theme. every one of the people and the types of crimes convicted of from campaign finance to lying to investigators have to do with charges that are swirling around his inside circle. so, that's what the most unusual aspect of it is. he's...