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People understand they can do business with him, that he understands the national order. he's not going to put in mine fields like chuck was talking about, so i hope people look at him as kind of a contrast to trump. the inside guy, the outside guy. tillerson can keep everything under control, i hope. >> on a similar question to you, which is rex tillerson, anye. what do you make of this secretary of state now traveling alongside the president. the secretary of state bakesicay told by his own boss, stop wasting your time when it comes to diplomacy. >> it is overwhelming that the president is u...

The roof. >> right. well, they keep some of those deductions in. and there could be a compromise around a hard cap on those levels, on the state and local, but, yeah, they have solve that. and that's -- >> let's talk about the dems for a minute. the democratic party. i don't see a leader yet. i could defend the democrats and say it's too early in the process. barack obama is still looming over as the most popular guy out there, hillary in defeat, nancy pelosi, not so much a big deal. chuck schumer seems to be playing an inside guy. tom perez, i guess, is head of the party. where the leader? >>...

Determinations. >> the office of anthony scaramucci today is the first sign the president intends to give kelly that authority. and right now, two experts. matt schlapp, and eugene robins. the inside guy, first. you. you know i talked to someone from our country's history who said i will take the job of chief of staff if they get the two kids out of there. his son-in-law, daughter, his son, he trust them more than any hireling. despite that, the general, general kelly, apparently wooed for this job since may. which tells me he has leverage. he said if you really want me, i will serve and this ...

Guy. that will be a very ideological turn for the department of state. >> we know that no number two for state is being announced today along with the tillerson announcement. john bolton comes with arguably more baggage or equally as much when it comes to iraq, someone who still thinks it was a good idea, the invasion. that was clearly a tough point for donald trump during the campaign. why do you see bolton as number two? why do you see tillerson not running the state department? >> well, it's a rumor he's number two. trump is putting in people who are to the right ideologically. so he is doi...

>> you played ron klain. >> right. >> you played an inside guy, inside, not king, not president. those characters seem more interesting today, the ones that seem inside the woodwork, the guys, the men and women that make the calls that hope for this, hope for that and do have these intramural fights going on. >> it's been really fascinating to me to learn about. the current majority whip kevin mccarthy met with me, was really generous with him time. so did steny hoyer, the minority whip in congress. and thinking about what it must be like to corral 218 senators to vote the way you want them to...