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The other hand, i'm told that he had council from inside hhs, people telling him, look, this is okay, you know, and what do you think? >> yeah, doing anything in government including dialing up a private jet, they are going to be a lot of people involved, probably ethics opinions, probably a lot of paperwork and this is -- this is a common practice. a lot of people might wish if they were going to make an example of someone, it would have been -- you mentioned eric holder after he took family in new york. lovely horse race, i'm sure. they end up reimbursing a fraction of what it actually costs...

The other hand, i'm told that he had council from inside hhs, people telling him, look, this is okay, you know, and what do you think? >> yeah, doing anything in government including dialing up a private jet, they are going to be a lot of people involved, probably ethics opinions, probably a lot of paperwork and this is -- this is a common practice. a lot of people might wish if they were going to make an example of someone, it would have been -- you mentioned eric holder after he took family in new york. lovely horse race, i'm sure. they end up reimbursing a fraction of what it actually costs...

Oldest citizens. >> whether you call it a death panel or not, when you're 90 years old and go to a hospital and the bed is taken up by someone else or the service the doctor wants to order isn't available, you're going to have a problem. also physicians are going to want to run away from patients where they can't get the tests they need. it's already hard enough, medicare pays less than other insurances. if they cut reimbursements, and another thing, specialists are not paid enough by medicare, specialist rates have been going down, surgery is going down, even primary care, if it stays the sam...

Office and they would say that because the congressional budget office gave them a better score than the chief medical care and -- medicare and medicaid actuary did, this new study, in the obama administration's hhs, health and human services department, essentially says that the new health care law will increase health care costs by $311 billion over the next ten years. that is much more than originally projected on the senate bill. it also, and this is the big headline, says that about 15 percent of the hospitals and medicare -- and facilities around the country have the possibility of going...