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Page, because she's apparently given a statement to the new york state police detectives about her role in the incident. she's made some statements -- she was charged based on those statements. and they have quite a bit of evidence against her. i don't know that sweat -- i mean, certainly he could add to that evidence, but i don't know that it's necessarily required for the d.a. to prevail in that case. sweat may have some information from some other incidental help inside the walls like one of your guests was talking about, some orderlies or trustees or other inmates might have helped them wi...

Ride out of the woods there. so i don't think it really exists. >> i want to bring in arthur roderick. what do you think? do you agree with jim that there's really not much more information to get out of david sweat? >> yeah, i absolutely agree. i think the only information that would be nice to get out of david sweat would satisfy our curiosity as to where he went after they came out of the manhole cover. i think we said from day one that, you know, that planning this escape, the inside planning was really unique considering all the levels that had to be taken care of. and they just went ahea...

Dismembering people, torturing people. they're depraved human beings. >> exactly. exactly right. spot on. they're losers. they couldn't even escape, really. they sent -- i do think they plotted for months in there to get the saws, to get the bits, you know, to get the drill bits from joyce and to get on the catwalk, to scheme, the hot plate, all these little things. that took them many months. but it consumed most of their planning, i think. and short of that, it was get the car and, you know, hey. it's all going to be great. you know, we'll be in the caribbean. well, you know, not really. >> ...