Having hamstronged this president. what is between the lines here? >> these were coming up to 2020, they want to be players, they want to remain relevant. their views there are nontrump loyalists in the white house is hardly new, and it's been known. the backgrounds of people who are there, and what's interesting they're talking about people who are not in the white house. look what's making the news rather than saying here are the people in the white house who are making the point you're making. so i don't read a lot into it except that everybody who has an inside tale to tell is entitled to ...