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Radicalized because of consequences of foreign policy. >> we've seen obviously -- i'm sorry, mika. we obviously see that in great britain. we've been seeing riots in the suburbs of paris for a decade now. obviously a lot of countries in europe have reasons to worry that this could happen there next, right? >> yeah. and again, we're very quick in the west to deploy military sources. i mean, there's been this big discussion about whether you deploy troops on the ground and how you tackle the situation. at the moment we deployed airpower. there's a realization that in order to really hit isis, yo...

Information. >> the one thing i can say is if people are being contacted by hostages, particularly the media, we would ask that you put those people and ask them to ensure that the man inside speaks to police. speaks to our trained negotiators. they are the people that can resolve this and can help them in this situation and certainly they are available and would be looking to talk to the man that's got control of that particular building right now. >> tom, what do you make of what he's asking for and what it could signify? >> it seems again that this is a politically motivated attack that isi...

To tweet out. this is not just a hostage play. it's a media play. this ties into the social message we were talking about before. we have to keep that in mind. we overreact in just the way richard was talking about. >> iwonder if it indicates a level of sophistication to a point. >> we've seen how isis uses social media on youtube, twitter, facebook to actually get their message across. i think what's really interesting about -- there's a big question at the moment about why we don't know his name or why the police might be holding that back. having been involved in these type of operations ov...

Calls from inside there, which certainly is unusual for a situation like this. >> a couple of updates on this and then we're going to touch base on the situation in belgium. the company which is the coffee shop being held right now posted a message on his facebook page thanking the public for its support and say they're deeply concerned over this incident praying for everybody inside. obviously the prime minister says that it is profoundly shocking that innocent people should be held hostage like this. the whole area has been cordoned off and the city is shut down at this point. >> they've cre...

They don't want to release his name. could that indicate something more? what do you surmise from that? >> it's an interesting question. we do know that around 70 people australian citizens have traveled to syria to fight alongside militant groups including isis and we know that around 20 of those people have actually returned back again. we know that the u.k. has a policy and i think tony abbott is trying to go along the same lines are making it difficult for people who do travel to syria to actually come back into the country and i think that has to be a way of addressing that. it can't just...