Underpaid, and it s something that needs to change. the same rules don t really apply when we re in year three, four, and five. we really have to understand our value and tell people in a different way of how we, you know, found success in the beginning of our career. we had such an interesting moment for this book, and congratulations, i m so glad it s come out now. there s so much talk, millions of dollars being spent on diverse programs in the united states. i wonder where sometimes those go wrong and they could learn from reading your book. it s one thing to get people through the door and say look, what a wonderful, diverse team we have, but then how do you make sure people move up the chain? in a way, it s the hierarchy itself that needs to change as much the women that are trying to climb it. oh, absolutely. there s certainly a layer here that is systemic and institutional that needs to change and i heard time and time again from women who have been put in positions at work ....