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I mean, these are the kind of things we ought to be looking at. and nobody seems to be doing it. >> laura: i mean, it's a shock, frankly. that the senate, with a healthy majority, is not putting the pressure on this bureaucracy who seems to be trying to run their own little fiefdom over at the white house intel agencies. as john mentioned, our catherine herridge says the big question is who colonel vindman shared his concerns with. >> vindman writes "i provided readouts of relevant meetings and communications to a very small group, properly cleared national security counterpart with a relevant...

Dni in terms of international intelligence, in terms of sharing information? it has to be baffling to them and there is a complete erosion of trust whether australia we've talked about today, ukraine, partners, germany, the uk, they all maybe helped or supplied information during the mueller report and the mueller investigation. what is the purpose of this? what really is shocking, the government seems to be run by basically three people. pompeo, barr, and guiliani who i can't figure out is even part of the government or not. >> without portfolio. >> so it is very confusing i think to anybody ...

Of a sitting attorney general walking into another country's intelligence services, which really is not bilateral. barr has his counterparts. they're not other countries' intel agencies, but sitting down all the same with other countries' intelligence agencies and asking them to investigate the united states intelligence services is mindblowingly bizarre. >> well, there's a couple of issues with it, one, it flies in the face of the facts and reality. let's not forget, we indicted two dozen russians for hacking and social media propaganda. that's a fact. the details are there. and all the class...

Ukraine, all of our five eyes partners, germany, the uk. they all may be helped or supplied information during the mueller report and the mueller investigation. what is the purpose of this? and what really is shocking is the government seems to be run by basically three people -- pompeo, barr, and giuliani, who i can't figure out is even part of the government or not. >> without portfolio. >> without portfolio. so, it's very confusing, i think, to anybody that's ever interacted with the u.s. government before from overseas to understand who is in charge, who they're supposed to listen to. and ...

Someone that has extensive expertise in national security. and by practice, that has been the case with dan coats and all of his predecessors. i will tell you, i had spent 50 years in intelligence and run a couple of the agencies for almost nine years, and being dni was the hardest thing i ever tried to do. it's a difficult job if you know something about intelligence. if you don't, it's just about impossible. that all said, that's not why the president selected him. sort of did it in an apprentice like audition for the hearing. >> listen, i've got to one, but i want to say garrett graff point...