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Research entities from the republic inside and the democratic side, that was then circulated. this former intelligence agent from mi6 in britain who was the one that allegedly compiled this was doing it at the behest of a super pac of some sort. >> david: forgive me, because i know the guy involved, glenn simpson, who was the man who runs the agency that subcontracted the british intel guy, used to be a "wall street journal" reporter i used to work with. he was a guy, he is a muckraking journalist, which in the best sense of the word, but sometimes he gets his stories wrong. >> julie: the poin...

Sanctions that are much farther than anyone currently thinks the united states would go on vladimir putin, himself, for an example, would that do it ? >> not a russian expert, but he's an old kbg guy, intel guy. i think he'll get his backup. he may temporarily back off but that's not going to change his long-term goal. i thing k he believes he can wa us out. we change course every four to eight years. >> even if he backs off slightly, his eye is still on the prize? >> he can wait us out. you saw the obama administration sanctions they released this week were carefully crafted not to affect u.s...

As the senior intel guy, when we went to war in iraq i was the guy that was holding the wmd bag and had to try to make sense of it. to the contrary, there were elements of wmd that we did find. but that's another story. clearly, there was some intelligence that was extremely faulty and was laid bare during the initial stages of the conflict in iraq. the issue that i have right now is that we could go back, and there clearly is plenty of blame. we rolled into iraq in 2003 far too few troops on the ground to really get a sense of what was going on. and then we decimated the military, told everyb...

Criticizing the administration when the faulty intelligence got us into the iraq war in the first place? >> well, don, i need to tell you, as the senior intel guy, when we went to war in iraq, i was the guy that was holding the wmd bag and had to try to make sense of it. to the contrary, there were elements of wmd that we did find, but that's another story. clearly, there was some intelligence that was extremely faulty. and was laid bare during the initial stages of the conflict in iraq. the issue that i have right now is that we could go back and there clearly is plenty of blame. well rolled ...

That. they've covered up past disasters. would the world know about an incident like this this much longer? >> bill, it would. that's what we call an i.r., infrared event. that would be picked up by satellite. it would be able to be immediately discerned if something like that took place. to the point that we've been talking about though, bill, i spent my life as an intel guy. and to better understand a situation you've got to vin tentent to have intent and capabilities. right now as you indicated we've got a dearth of both. it's a big white board and we're trying to fill in the gaps. the capa...