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Intervene. and, of course, parents unknowingly sometimes heighten the conflicts between kids by labeling kids with certain specialties, oh, he's my athlete, she's my intellectual one, et cetera, and that sets up a kind of conflict within the kids. >> that's interesting. we're not only talking about physical bullying but also mental anguish sort of bullying, right? >> it's the mental stuff that sometimes can be longer term and can affect personality development. remember, these are developing years and, you know, all psychology is biology meeting the environment and our biggest environment are ...

Puts it out there. it's different from what you see. >> let's talk about the president right now. jonathan, in many ways we all talk about this. in fact we did earlier today, how each presidency is is a function of the one who came before. if one president isn't too intellectual, we go with a more intellectual one. if one's too slick, we go to less slick, jimmy carter. so in a way, the president had to talk to his prepredecessor, in a 180, had to define him. >> what i think is the political take-away from today is what president obama said about immigration reform. president obama -- used a ce...