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Actual evidence of the espionage is. because what they've seen them do, according to the fbi agents that were witnessing the activity, in their experience the agents' experience, they looked at it and said, hey, this is espionage. so these guys -- the men and women that they pick up, they did not register as foreign agents because they're part of the illegals program. the way that the intelligence service works is, you'll have somebody that will come in either working as a diplomat from the russian embassy and that will be their cover for status and cover for action. and then if they get picke...

Doing what we need to do. >> grade the relationship now as opposed to, say if we're having this conversation a year ago, in a way that just the average american watching understands the tangible results they're getting. >> sure. on a scale of one to ten, i would have put the relationship at about a three two years ago. i think it's probably at a six or a seben now. i mean, there's been a significant improvement in the partnering and in the cooperation. >> how many faisal shahzads might there be in the united states? any way to quantify that? >> there's no way to know that. in the intelligence ...

Secretary gates made it clear he is not apologizing for the department of defense being in the intelligence business here. >> no question about that. he pointed out that about 85% of the country's intelligence budget comes under the pentagon budget. he says that gathering intelligence on the battlefield is vital to success. without weighing in on the role of mr. furlong and whether or not that should have been part of the pentagon budget, leaving that for the investigation but making it very clear the department of defense is in the intelligence business. >> shepard: shep mike emanuel at the p...

Memo saying that furlong had just gone too far. we spoke to a source close to furlong who maintains that he did nothing wrong, that he was simply collecting information and turning it over to the intelligence community to see if it was of interest to them. but the question on the table is whether or not he hired people not to openly collect information as the contract he oversaw mandated or whether he was getting into the intelligence business, which was the cia's business. back to you. >> barbara starr at the pentagon, thanks. the earth has its own way of saying good morning, l.a. a 4.4 mag...

Some alarm bells to go off. what do you make of the president acknowledging that vladimir putin is now trying to sow discord in the united states? >> that's a tough one, ayman. how do we ever understand what president trump is doing, particularly in speeches like that, but it seemed to me, i mean, when i first heard, that my reaction was, well, he's trying to deflect attention from the seriousness of this by just simply saying this is another example of putin trying to inject some -- some mischief into our system which in a sense it is, so, you know, in a sense he's speaking truth here i suspe...