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Appears that organized groups of ukrainians with anti-tank missiles and ballistics, often shoulder held, seem to be doing amazing damage against these russian armored corridors. >> senator, i'm interested to hear you say that you think the intelligence is spot on because i think it was just yesterday when the top u.s. general in europe said something different. said that there was an intelligence gap, sort of alluding to what you said. that the russians were overestimated and the ukrainians were underestimated. let me play that for you. >> is there an intelligence gap in our capability that ma...

The intelligence community has been looking for a year but they don't know either way because there is an intelligence gap. in other words, they don't know. they missed it. they don't really know what they are dealing with. they're trying to figure out after the fact, they're not doing particularly a great job at it. what were these researchers doing, right? i would like to know that. that's something we know that we could figure out. how that fits into the bigger picture is simply we are not going to be able to rely on it to figure this out. we'll need a real investigation requiring a lot of ...

>> kelly o'donnell from the white house, thank you. anton gunn is a gold star family member, and bill kristol is with us, founder and editor of "the weekly standard." let's start with breaking news, the idea a, quote, massive intelligence failure may have been behind what happened in niger back in early part of this month. surprising? >> the phrase intelligence failure always komg comes up in something like this. i take the side of mattis to say, look, everyone is investigating, as you heard hans in the reporting, they're briefing congress in real time as it happened. when something happens ...

Know how difficult this is. i worked for a president who took the country to war. they both became very unpopular wars. nobody was ready to explain to the public what we are doing militarily or on an intelligence front in niger. what is their explanation now to the american public? >> you haven't heard a broad articulation, an expansive one on just what the mission there is. more specifically, when they talk about it, they say this is a train, advise and assist. i have to say, when we look at any hot spot across the globe, it's likely that we don't really know a whole lot about what's going on...

To go after the bloat. it is about 1750 people working there with a lot of redundancy. so, why can't we -- again, this is a rethinking of our intelligence, and our intelligence gap. >> they are going to do that in any case, i think making the reforms, there is no reason not to have dan coats there, not to have mike pompeo there, and i think it would be a plus to do it. there is one point that the press has not picked out. it appears in the absence of the president, though vice presidents will share the meetings, not the advisor. this came in the meeting with the george w. bush administration w...