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About the whistleblower complaint, and he knew that this was ultimately going to bubble into the public light. >> i want to read this from the "times" reporting. they talk about how the intelligence i.g., michael atkinson, concluded the complaint needed to be sent to congress. he said this. but the white house counsel pat a. cipollone and his deputy john a. eisenberg disagreed. they decided the administration could withhold from congress the whistleblower's accusations because they were protected by executive privilege. the lawyers told mr. trump they planned to ask the justice department's of...

>> that they provided of course. >> it's contradicted by so much other evidence. you talked about connecting dots before. we're at a point now where you don't need to connect dots. you need to just let the dots wash over you. the picture is very clear. i mean that no quid pro quo, that is damage control. that is because we now know that in late august, he had been told about the whistle-blower complaint, and he knew that this was ultimately going to bubble into the public light. >> i want to read this from the "times" reporting. they talk about how the intelligence i.g., michael atkinson, conc...

2018, that is not something that was just changed. in other words, that is secondhand information that is acceptable. >> bret: what about the back-and-forth knowing who the whistle-blower is and what the president has said about him or her? >> first off, to clarify, the intelligence ig came out and admitted that they change the form where it used to require firsthand knowledge and now it doesn't, that is a reflection of a more accurate treatment of the statute at hand. but it is also true that the ici g came out and claims that he or she had first-hand information which is at odds what it clai...