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With the president, as they word it. vice president pence is up there along with secretary nielsen today and there may be more outreach tomorrow as well. but there is concern that if you start to see a splintering in the republican coalition, if a dozen, two dozen, republican house members vote with the democrats tomorrow, if more republican senators start to say, you know what, it's gone on long enough, let's get the government re-opened and deal with the wall later, then that could be a really big political problem for president trump. >> so, john, i heard from a former senior intelligence o...

Individual, a businessman who was based in michigan, are implicitly claiming that he was an intelligence official for the u.s. government working under what's known as non-official cover. they're claiming he was a noc. that is highly implazible if not impossible to my mind for two primary reasons. one, this individual is a veteran. he served in the marines for 15 years. and that's important because what gives nocs their currency, what gives them their utility is their ability to disavow any and all connections to the u.s. government. the fact this man served in the armed forces would itself be...

Claiming is a spy, does it from a profiling standpoint, does it fit what you might expect to see in a spy? >> the profile here, steve, fits the theory you were articulating before, a quid pro quo for maria butina. and i say that because the russians by arresting this individual, a businessman who was based in michigan, are implicitly claiming that he was an intelligence official for the u.s. government working under what's known as non-official cover. they're claiming he was a noc. that is highly implausible if not impossible to my mind for two primary reasons. one, this individual is a vetera...

Am. just looking at the profile of what we know about this individual who the russians are claiming is a spy, does it from a profiling standpoint, does it fit what you might expect to see in a spy? >> the profile here, steve, fits the theory you were articulating before, a quid pro quo for maria butina. and i say that because the russians by arresting this individual, a businessman who was based in michigan, are implicitly claiming that he was an intelligence official for the u.s. government working under what's known as non-official cover. they're claiming he was a noc. that is highly implazi...

His lie to be released to the public, and he was lying to the public and influencing other witnesses. and it sounded a lot like the behavior we've seen from the president throughout the russia investigation. lying to the public in a way that could come back to haunt him down the road. >> you also saw it in the michael flynn sentencing. you saw robert mueller putting together the fact that flynn had been so helpful in the investigation but that for someone who served in the u.s. military, to have served as an intelligence official, to serve as a national security adviser, lying was something th...