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It is kind of terrifying probably for them to try to speak out. >> malcolm, to your point on that, you have said, you've called this the greatest -- one of the greatest intelligence ops ever. >> ever. >> but to michael's point, here an interesting situation. to the extent they want the sanctions lifted, it also strikes me that the political heat is so high, lifting sanctions would be so incriminating amidst this that that's almost a no go. right? >> well, i don't see any evidence of that. certainly coming out of this white house. i mean, vladimir putin says for trump to have a meeting with lav...

Exist. it is kind of terrifying probably for them to try to speak out. >> malcolm, to your point on that, you have said, you've called this the greatest -- one of the greatest intelligence ops ever. >> ever. >> but to michael's point, here an interesting situation. tohe extent they wanthe sanctions lifted, it also strikes me that the political heat is so high, lifting sanctions would be so incriminating amidst this that that's almost a no go. right? >> well, i don't see any evidence of that. certainly coming out of this white house. i mean, vladimir putin says for trump to have a meeting with ...