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How do we get the answer? >> part of the problem is mixture of the law enforcement. before 9/11 the f.b.i. did law enforcement and the n.s.a. did intelligence in the u.s. c.i.a. did intelligence outside the u.s. now it's a mixture. so now the f.b.i. by now i mean after 9/11 will use intelligence tools, which are easy to acquire and easier to use than law enforcement tools for law enforcement. so even though these people, congressman nunes and his colleagues are on intelligence committee they are looking for the law enforcement documents used to commence the investigation. what can't they get? ...

We need? >> i don't know. i mean, i think we need to dig deeper. i don't think it ends with carter page. this was the weaponization of our intelligence tools. of our intelligence apparatus, and this needs to be thoroughly investigated. it should not end with carter page. and, sean, one more point. the fbi knew, according to all of the sources that i spoke with, they knew carter -- they knew that christopher steele lied to them. they knew that and they didn't pay him. remember, they were going to give him a big bulk payment and they stopgd that. so they knew he was lying. yet, they go to the fi...

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