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Sure, officially, he is trying to get the port authority to pay for his legal representation. this is the fourth in a series of sort of pleas for some kind of immunity deal. i wonder if you read it that way and if you do, can you explain to me the logic of pursuing that through the media and not behind closed doors? >> sir, i think it is simple, steve. david wildstein has all but gone to the center span of the gwb and said, i'm the guy. i'm the guy that can give you the governor. i'm the guy that can connect the dots. i'm an appetizer. i can lead you to the on tray. it is no surprise he has go...

Orders by me that he is to do nothing else other than to deal with the traffic and find out what's going on, the rumors continue to come back to me, hey, i'm hearing this is about you. mayor, i know you don't want to hear it but i'm hearing this is about you. from that september 9 day, there was always that doubt in my mind. when we didn't get any response and we came to use and the traffic cones removed, no respond from the port, all the digging by the chief and my office and me finding out it was about me. you start to question your judgment. once we got to the end of that week, i was pretty...

Give the investigators everything that they want. i think this is amazing that david wildstein has come front and center and said, what we have all said on this show, but it bears repeating. the first guy to the courthouse ultimately gets the best deal. >> but the public nature of this. it is one thing if he quietly went to the u.s. attorney and said, here is what we've got. here is what we are willing to tell you. presumably, the u.s. attorney would be open to that. to be doing this so publicly, is this telling us something? is this too desperate? >> part of what he is trying to do is get his...

Criminal lawyers. they all hired the kind of lawyers that people sitting around saying, boy, if i ever got into trouble, i would hire this guy. i would hire michael krichly. one of the top defense lawyers in new jersey. his claim to fame is that he beat the u.s. attorney. he beat the u.s. attorney in that whole operation big rig roundup. that's her attorney. she was originally represented by walter timpone, very close to the christie world. she didn't want to embarrass him anymore. she hires mike krichly. we talk about wildstein and stepien. bridget kelly seems like a major wild card here. >> ...

Under the difficult circumstances, we love to see that. >> i like anthony wiener. he's an interesting, intelligent guy. >> by the way, just because we talk about these liabilities you have, doesn't mean he couldn't be a great leader or politician. >> most greatly -- >> many, many of my favorite leaders had -- >> all of my favorite leaders were completely flawed. >> significant psychiatric problems, really, flawed. they were struggling with something. >> let's talk to one of my best flaws, which is starbucks. they are bringing in calorie counters. some of it is quite terrifying, actually. i pop...