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Success in getting some things done, and particularly in new york city, and as well as in business and could it be a game-changer? >> well, it is an open question. the issue is what you described. a big intensity gap on this issue. a lot of the gun control measures that poll well, but people who support them don't go into the voting booth to vote on that specific issue. you have advocates for the gun ownership who care about that issue and vote on it and political activists on it and that is why they are continuing to win. and what mike bloomberg has said is that while the national efforts hav...

The nra, and they were able to use off-year elections which are small turnout where they can marshal a very small but impassioned voter base to take down any congressman who would dare to pass gun laws. >> two state senators were recalled and the third one resigned. >> even though the laws are popular. >> but there's an intensity gap here. when you poll people about these sorts of restrictions, most people say that they favor them. but the people who go to the polls an vote because they care about this issue tend to be people strongly in favor of gun rights. it's not enough to have a majority ...

Bipartisan group. republicans for immigration reform and the national immigration forum. they tell us that in republican states, conservative states, poll of republicans only from -- depending on the state, 61%, to 78% of republicans are in favor of immigration reform. so if these congressmen are listening to their constituents. they will pitch in and help us. you may have some special interests that they're afraid of, i'm not sure. >> here's the problem, though. that polling, i've seen polling that's similar. there's an intensity gap which is to say, i've heard members of congress saying, our...

State and face what she's faced this week. watching dean heller from nevada suddenly get poll numbers that say, maybe there's a backlash to me about voting no on background checks. or jeff flake, potentially moving toward a swing state of arizona, where the same things happen. >> why is that a surprise when polls say 90% of people want this legislation? >> the key thing is, whether, you know, this is going to last in a couple months, in a couple of years. the key dynamic to the gunfight, and steve knows this, there's always been an intensity gap. the numbers have always been on the side of gun...

To level the playing field. >> in indiana, you have joe donley coming out saying he's for background checks. the numbers you talked about earlier today, pretty staggering. the overall numbers suggest maybe a little bit of the support has waned. for background checks state by state, those numbers are still very, very high. where is the disconnect? i know we've talked about this intensity gap. it feels like we are doing -- people are trying to do, and the president was sure pretty hot about it today saying call your member of congress. what's going to be the thing that makes it up? >> well, the ...