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To level the playing field. >> in indiana, you have joe donley coming out saying he's for background checks. the numbers you talked about earlier today, pretty staggering. the overall numbers suggest maybe a little bit of the support has waned. for background checks state by state, those numbers are still very, very high. where is the disconnect? i know we've talked about this intensity gap. it feels like we are doing -- people are trying to do, and the president was sure pretty hot about it today saying call your member of congress. what's going to be the thing that makes it up? >> well, the ...

Mass murderer, well equipped by our firearms strained by our laws that allow such easy access to it. you also have congressional experience. where do you think we're going with president obama's attempt to push through some reforms? >> i think it's so encouraging to see such bold moves coming from the obama administration as we've seen, not just on this issue but on the issue of immigration, to see him coming out and saying strongly -- >> by the way, at the same time. >> at the same time, which is something i think a lot of people never would have expected. but to see him coming out and starti...