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Certain story and changes his story later, there is some suggestion that there is a lack of truth there. but i think that impeachment unlike criminal prosecution is ultimately a political process. and so if he can win in the court of public opinion he may be able to win in the impeachment battle, as well. so i think that's the game he's playing. he's good at it, and i'm sure he'll continue to try to distract people from the real facts. >> barbara mcquade, thank you. congressman ro khanna and ben rhode. coming up, one republican congressman head butting a camera today instead of talking about...

You hide things when you worry that there's a problem there. and so the mere fact he's storing it in this special safe and that he is asking vindman not to speak about it suggests he knows there's something problematic about it. >> i don't know if you ever experienced things like this, but how would this have been handled? how should this have been handled? vindman heard something that was a concern to him and it sounds like as a military man he had a sense of process about him, he went to the nsc's lawyer, probably the right thing to do. >> well, yeah. the nsc lawyer, though, used to be there...

Respect in many respects really become sycophants to this president, they cower in fear of losing power because of him. instead of arguing the substance, because they can't, you can't listen to the evidence and think anything other than that this president is guilty as sin, what they do instead iss ig a is argue process. now they're saying, it's perfectly okay that he withheld military assistance that we approved in law to get a foreign country to investigate his political opponents. it's perfectly okay that we're drawing direct lines with a quid pro quo between president trump and president z...

Does any of this matter in the end? >> it could. you know, anything he says, anything he tweets are admissions that can be used against him later. if he locks himself into a certain story and changes his story later, there is some suggestion there is a lack of truth there. but i think that impeachment unlike criminal prosecution is ultimately a political process. and so if he can win in the court of public opinion he may be able to win in the impeachment battle as well. so i think that's the game he's playing. he's good at it, and i'm sure he'll continue to try to distract people from the real...

Phone call or a perfect phone call, whatever it is. the judge andrew wrote an op-ed in which he weighs in on this. he says with the process soon to be as republicans have demanded and with the proof of impeachable offenses plain to see to what will the president's allies resort as a defense? they will claim the federal crimes of soliciting campaign assistance from foreign governments and bribery aren't impeachable offenses and that trump was misunderstood because he exaggerates all the time and often doesn't mean what he says. and then the american public will decide if this -- all this is ski...