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Not true. that the interagency process involves the intelligence community, state department treasury, folks like him on the sanctions policy group were monitoring this very closely. and they did not agree that the obama administration suddenly changed its policy. now, if the obama administration did, that is problematic. but the problem is this 50-page plus story with lots of details is really just based on the testimony of just two people. and that's problematic. so it needs further investigation before you diet the entire obama administration. >> tucker: i don't know that's true. i'm not in...

They're going to listen to the word that comes out of the mouth of the president. what he actually says versus what's in the printed word. this national security strategy just like all the others that i was associated with, lots of fanfare, very important interagency process, but in the end how much impact do they actually have? in this case, as i think in past administrations, there is generally a very involved interagency process to get all the interagency, all the cabinet departments that are relevant on board so that we have a coherent, coordinated policy. which in this case can certainly ...

They might be able to walk you through that in a more detailed way. i'm not privy too. i haven't been through the process myself so i can't speak to it from firsthand. >> on the tax plan, would the president ask the house and senate to stay here in washington and finish this bill even if it means bleeding into the christmas holiday? >> oh, we're pretty confident we're going to get there before then, but this is something that i think both the house, the senate and the president are all committed to seeing happen. and we're very hopeful that it will take place at the first of next week. jeff? t...

Showed this chart two months ago, chris, chris liddle, hold that up, chris, chris is not tall enough for this chart and neither is anybody else, this is the process that you had to go through to get permits for a highway. or a roadway. you had to go through this process and it would take many years, many, many years, right, chris. >> yes, sir. >> and you had to go through fine differe nine different agency, 16 decisions, under 29 different laws, it would take from 10 to 20 years and some cases longer than that. and by the time you're finished you probably gave up. i think it's -- i don't know,...

Unacceptably long. this chart, i love this chart, i showed this chart two months ago. chris ladell, hold that up, chris. chris is not tall enough for this chart, neither is anybody else. this is the process that you had to go through to get permits for a highway, for a roadway. you had to go through this process. and it would take many years. many, many years, right, chris? >> and you had to go through nine different agents, make 16 different decisions, under 29 different laws it would take from 10 to 20 years, in some cases longer than that. and by the time you finished, you probably gave up....