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To say them out loud in front of television cameras in front of the world was an es ka whattory step that went further than they had expected. >> let's just hit pause and talk about how abnormal this is. george w. bush had a lot of feelings about the iraq war. i'm not holding that out as an example of anything but in terms of a paper process when a president makes a statement about a nuclear adversary in the walk-up to what may be a military conflict, i mean, you covered the white house in which i worked. condi rice, rumsfeld, dick cheney, an interagency process would have taken place. they wo...

To pakistan'ser sovereignty than india. we have a real problem there. in 2002 colin powell had to go deal with them and they had to talk in order to avert a nuclear exchange between these two powers. we're not even looking at that right now. we're letting so much go by the way because we're concentrating on trump's rhetoric. >> all right. come lawrence wilkerson. thank you. >> thank you. >> i'll joined by the former deputy secretary of defense. how would they derrell who should make what kind of statement in this context? >> right, chris. first, i want to associate myself with everything the c...

And polished up and not good enough for him. that's not going to help him in the court. >> the first ban was a wreck. he didn't even go through the interagency process. >> no. unable to let go of something, whether it's his spat, whether it's the word travel ban. was it sensible, what was he trying to do? is he trying to appeal to the base? maybe it's much more elemental. i said i want a travel ban. i'm going to use this word and that's what it is. it's a basic, almost child-like, i'm right. >> he was responding to being probe bid joe more than anything else. by the way, this travel ban wouldn...

>> it's binary. it is coming from the russian side and mr. putin hinted they had a recording. it turned out the translation was a little funny. wasn't an exact recording. and typically there are note takers inside these meetings. we know there are note takers because the initial "new york times" story about, the intelligence leak about, the isis plot that they gave fro a foreign intelligence asset who latere learned was israel. they tried to clean up some transcripts and it went through an interagency process. the homeland security security adviser couldn't tacted counter parts because there m...

Saudi arabia, you know your subject matter with some pride. are they involved? >> you know, i don't know the answer about the desk officers. i know you know your presidential history and there are some who used to call them directly. that practice has largely been abandoned over the last couple presidencies for this interagency process that i know that dina powell and h.r. have tried to replicate inside the white house with sort of the logical inputs from state and d.o.d., but i think sadly the era might be gone when a president can pick up the phone or when they want to. i think the interagen...