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An honest broker, to make this implicated interagency process of our foreign policy work and you cannot do that unless you're trusted and your colleagues feel you're a straight shooter and you're going to tell them the truth and carry their messages forward. the problem for flynn, after this revelation that he was not straightforward with vice president pence about what he talked about with the russian ambassador at the time that u.s. sanctions were imposed, this is something he has to speak about directly or i think he loses -- he forfeits that currency of his job. >> i don't know how you get...

Like that. >> i know trump is stubborn, he doesn't want to be there, if it weren't for trump's stubbornness, he would be in a lot of trouble. >> yes. he was removed from the defense intelligence agency because he was a bad manager. all of input, interagency process, he is not doing that. he was with him from the beginning, it's not going to easy to give him the heave hoe. i think there's going to be plenty -- >> i'm stunned by the blabbiness of this white house. why did they talk to freely about the guy who going president's chief foreign policy

No matter who's in your chain of command, you're putting a lot of faith in the idea that everybody along the way in the process has done everything that can be done to make your mission successful and to make sure that you could be as safe as possible. none of this is safe. whether you're a navy s.e.a.l. or a sergeant in a motor pool, you put faith in that idea. and so what we definitely know about this situation is that the president didn't go through an interagency process. we also know that this is a president who has many times sloughed off the importance of intention briefings. and from t...

All, the biggest operation since the bin laden raid, this is a very big deal that obviously has been slightly overshadowed by a lot of other big deals in the news. put this in context for us on number one, the operation, and number two, these reports about the way the president was briefed. >> the way that i received this is from the perspective of somebody who as you mentioned served on the ground overseas and one of the aspects of being on the ground overseas is that you're putting a lot of faith, no matter who the president is, no matter who's in your chain of command, you're putting a lot ...

A lot of thought had actually gone into that and that wasn't just him doing an al haig taking over the microphone. the same with nikki haley yesterday. that wasn't just her scribbling notes down. you can tell that went through state, that went through the interagency process. yesterday seemed to be the first day on foreign policy, maybe it's because tillerson is at state now and everybody is finally in place, but some order seemed to be coming to our foreign policy team. >> some normalcy, perhaps, in terms of how people here in the beltway and in new york are used to seeing things go and i thi...