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Weapon like this, a strategic weapon in a tactical situation in ukraine when frankly he could have used any other missile, it indicates he's trying to escalate this conflict. he's putting nato on edge, raising the stakes, and this is what we have been concerned about all the time. this is the line that biden is trying to walk here. how to pressure putin without escalating the war. >> which i think you have just definitely voiced one of the major talking points in brussels on thursday. let me ask you about the reports of russia's military, that it's stalled, that it's losing morale. a new artic...

Infrastructure committees. he also served four tours in iraq. before i move to that hypersonic missile, the is what jen psaki tweeted in the last hour or so, indicating president biden won't visit ukraine when he goes to europe, and of course, there are huge security concerns so it's understandable from that point of view, but do you think he should visit ukraine? >> no, i think he's making the right call. i think that visiting ukraine at this point would for him be largely showmanship. obviously, there are a lot of heroes over there fighting it out, but that's not the role of the president of...

Telling his own people. what happens when a man like that is stalled? gets desperate. what does that look like, increasing targeting of civilian targets, civilian population. a desperate move. increasing use allegedly of the hypersonic missile he may have used. a man saying not getting it done traditionally, not happening fast enough, i have to invoke terror to try to get them to surrender, because my own military's not getting the job done. >> okay. thank you for your analysis in all of this. appreciate that. we are just hours away from the start of confirmation hearings for judge ka tawny ...

True? >> it's concerning because this is a way that russia is slowly escalating the war. and hypersonic missiles are dangerous because in the russian version, they can carry both conventional and nuclear weapons. nuclear warheads. you don't know what that missile is carrying when it's launched. it's one of the reasons why i think hypersonic missiles are fundamentally destabilizing. they're weapons we think about in a strateging sense, as a counter to the intercontinental ballistic missiles we are used to talking about when we talk about the nuclear standoff between countries like russia and am...

Is that true? so these things can get launched and there's no way to stop them? and they move five times the speed of sound. >> that's right. look, they move very fast. to put this in perspective, though, what makes them dangerous is not their speed. everyone thinks they're faster than every other missile on earth. actually, the traditional intercontinental ballistic missiles are faster, but hypersonic missiles, you can't detect them. these are strategic weapons that we only deter by threatening to use something in retaliation. in other words, if a russian intercontinental bulisting missile or...