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The day of this week's state of the union speech, the number one story at the washington post website had nothing to do with politics. instead, it concerned this multi--sided object spied in the milky way, hawaiian for scout, this theory about what it might represent, harvard's top astronomer says an alien ship may be among us, he doesn't share what his colleagues think. joining me is avi loeb, chair of astronomy at harvard university. isn't it amazing, the full nation focused on the state of the union and politics, this is what we were interested in, why? >> the state of the universe is much ...

And really, the closest we came to that were some of what we've seen reported and particularly the unredacted portions that were mistakenly revealed by manafort's attorneys about his dealings with kilimnik, where, for example, he was giving internal polling data to kilimnik. i'll tell you this doesn't surprise me. what i'm interested in, whether reading a report or seeing in charges, what more there was in terms of the dealings between manafort and kilimnik. >> thank you, gentlemen, i appreciate it. president is furious the house intelligence committee hired former national security counsel ...

Investigating. what does that tell you about where mueller is heading at this point? >> well, mueller has been trying to put together a case of russians and americans working together to commit crimes related to the election. and really, the closest we came to that were some of what we've seen reported and particularly the unredacted portions that were mistakenly revealed by manafort's attorneys about his dealings with kilimnik, where, for example, he was giving internal polling data to kilimnik. i'll tell you this doesn't surprise me. what i'm interested in, whether reading a report or seeing...

The next question you covered, media coveraged him like a car toonget real quick about you as an individual. first you thought you were going to be vice president. the only other job i'm interested in is attorney general. so then pretty much you get knocked out and get fired you didn't like the fact that the president never admitted you got fired. then they come out and said we need to see you. something you might be interested rnc chairman. >> yeah. brian: you are not going to be rnc chairman. reince priebus starts rattling off all these other things, no, no, and no. >> what people need to un...

Included >> that's right. that's the way to frame it which is -- the indictment in and of itself i agree is strong if these e-mails that it's citing in these texts indeed exist and certainly they do so that seems like a black-and-white open-and-shut case for the question of whether he lied to congress about various things but there is nothing in this indictment that alleges conspiracy with russia and wikileaks and that's the real question that we're all interested in, not whether roger stone is in legal jeopardy for having misled congress about certain conversations he had so it's rock solid a...