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With mounted warfare. when you look at this train in slovyansk, that will be the key epicenter. izyum is the access from the north west. here you'll see the separatist forces from luhansk advance over. in slovyansk down to here, you'll see them trying to advance. this is wide-open terrain. that's why those new weapons are super important for the ukrainian military. >> clint, obviously the ukrainian military has fought so valiantly and stood up so well to a much larger military out of russia. what does it look like in the east? does it have what it takes? does it have the manpower, the weaponry...

That it will take to fight this amount of russian forces, and they're pushing in in donbas, too. they're trying to push in that direction as well. we need thousands and thousands of artillery rounds. they're burning out their artillery guns. they need more artillery guns. this is a much more lethal open warfare fight that's coming. >> this is why many think, and i tend to agree with them, you can correct me if i'm wrong, that i think it's going to get worse, and there is a false sense of security in the west because if the weapons are coming in from the east, they're going to try to shut that ...

Logistic supplier lines to ukrainian forces. plus they have something called interior lines. they can move a lot easier in the different directions that they'll be attacked from. they can reenforce with reserves to the north, to the south, to the east. however, they're going to be required to have fast moving and adaptable forces. they have shown excellent military bearing throughout the first part of this campaign by conducting hasty attacks. they'll have to build large reserves and get great intelligence which they've been getting so far. as we heard secretary austin say the other day, they ...

Surprise is everything. there is no surprise where russia wants to go. now, ukraine needs the long-range capabilities, like artillery, long-range rockets, tanks that, you know, that can see for miles because -- but the intelligence is what they need so they prevent surprise. now, there is problems but there is also kind of advantages. ukrainians own ukraine. they have what is called interior lines and that's why that rail head being hit is concerning because russia has to come from outside, from belarus and belgorod, everywhere to bring more forces in that are already in bad shape. but the ukr...

Fixed, meaning they know and they're opposite each other. russians have -- are on what you call interior lines and expectation is it's going to be a big, hard, ugly, brutal push and, again, this is -- >> so, general, how -- general, can -- what can ukrainian forces do then? we've seen them use sort of, you know, their wiles and their will in the areas outside of kyiv, using drones to target tank columns. how can they repel that kind of pinscher movement and activity by the russians? >> along the flanks, the pinschers, the russians are grinding down. they've been doing that. they will use the -...