and he's really just making it hard in order to, you know, do these ridiculous red meat speeches. and the people he's speaking to, he's the governor of florida. he's the most powerful voice in our state. nationally, he's an influential vote. and i believe the people who would probably listen to him the most are likely the people who aren't taking the vaccine at the level they should, or aren't going to wear masks when they need to. he could save thousands of lives, i'm convinced, if he simply took a position that is different than the one he's taking right now. >> how do you feel about governor desantis leaving florida in the middle of this surge to fund-raise in utah last week? >> this whole thing has been politicized. and you've seen it from the beginning. politicizing mask use was just the most absurd thing, politicizing the vaccine, and now doing it again.