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Republicans this year? and congress? >> i think that we all have to make some very difficult decisions about how to bring bills to the floor that may not have a majority of the votes in our own caucus. i say let them vote for whatever they can vote for but make sure they can vote for or against whatever we need to do. that's what i have tried to convey. these are not ploys or interparty bickering. these are philosophical differences. what is the role of government? what is the public/private partnership. you want just the private side without the public part of it. those are legitimate debates...

>> you like each other. what do you say to him when it comes to how he has led his republicans this year in congress? >> well, i think that we all have to make some very difficult decisions about how to bring bills to the floor that may not have a majority of the votes in our own caucus. i've had that experience myself. but i always say just let them vote their hearts out. make sure they can vote for whatever it is they want to vote for but make sure that they also can vote for or against whatever we need to do. and that's really kind of what i have tried to convey to him. these are not ploys ...

Their principles with pride and get through this meeting. it doesn't mean they have to vote on anything. >> bret: if you have a white house who is saying we want to hear what the republicans are proposing, they can go to a variety of different web sites and see exactly what the republicans are proposing. >> being on camera benefits the republicans. it's a huge opportunity for them. they should stop the whining and show up. >> they have already won. so i think a.b. is right. there is no reason to call into question their presence. this bill is not going to become law in its present form. not be...

Their principles with pride and get through this meeting. it doesn't mean they have to vote on anything. >> bret: if you have a white house who is saying we want to hear what the republicans are proposing, they can go to a variety of different web sites and see exactly what the republicans are proposing. >> being on camera benefits the republicans. it's a huge opportunity for them. they should stop the whining and show up. >> they have already won. so i think a.b. is right. there is no reason to call into question their presence. this bill is not going to become law in its present form. not be...