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Eight years will be like. let's refresh everyone's memory of that remarkable moment. >> the forms i am proposing would not apply to those who are here illegal. [ yelling ]. >> that's not true. >> that was a winning strategy. that's normal now in the political world we live in. going back to what obama said, he would have won the election against trump? >> he said, i could have won. >> there are a lot of qualifi qualifiers. >> i think the country wanted change. that's what they voted for, right? we say in all the western world this notion of free markets, like open borders and free trade, it's ...

That he wants to get done. so i understand the loyal opposition thing and i get it. i think that's an important part of our process. but i argue it's so early, one and a half weeks in, give the guy a chance, i think. >> as you know, president obama ended the cia's enhanced interrogation program, waterboarding, stuff like that, saying it actually did damage to america's standing in the world. do you believe that congressman pompeo, who's now designated to become the cia director, and the president-elect for that matter, donald trump, do you think they will reverse that, bring back waterboarding...