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Failed, would you take half the credit for it? >> look, the guy who pulls the trigger on the mission ultimately is going to get the lion's share -- wait. no. >> i just won the argument with you, then. >> you are saying why is it that everyone on the right is politicizing this and you are sitting hearing politicizing it. >> you are trying to get half the credit for something you didn't do. >> okay. so not a single shred of intelligence that was gathered under the entire bush administration was put to any use at all? >> no, look, we are going to find out whether the rubber hose stuff worked or n...

Also saying the debate about whether we would have gotten the same information from other approaches as well will always be an open questions. >> here is what jose rodriguez who ran cia's counterterrorism center was the lead information that eventually led to the location of bin laden's compound and led to the operation for his death. do you think he is credible or not? he was part of the problem back then that we all know about. >> well, he has great insights because he was there, but i think, again, with other professionals who dealt with interrogation would say that that's a source, but it'...

That they were not composite. >> are they cooperating in terms of allowing the u.s. access to the interrogation of individuals or picked up at that compound and now are in their custody? >> i know we've requested it. i don't know how much cooperation we're getting and i don't want to go any further on that. >> on the sensitive issue on whether the enhanced interrogation techniques led to the killing of osama bin laden, dennis mcdonough yesterday said absolutely no, no role whatsoever. listen to what he says. >> this whole idea about somehow whether eits played into that is just not consistent ...

Talk at all if it weren't for waterboarding. my sources say that is not the case. of course, there are other ways to get people to talk. >> the white house said flatly that this notion that enhanced interrogation techniques led to all of this he said is not a fact. >> exactly. it's not a fact. but, again, we have to understand, because we cover politics, that people come at this from different vantage points. the bush administration wanting to make it clear that this information was not gleamed and people from this administration are not obviously saying that is not the case. >> i want all of ...

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