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Destructive and horrible rule. >> martha: joining me now, the new head of the environmental protection agency, scott pruitt. so good to have you with us tonight. welcome. >> thank you, martha. >> martha: i know farmers are very happy about the beginning of the rollback that this regulation. tell us why. >> i think it is farmers and ranchers and oil and gas producers, those who build subdivisions. economic development has been impacted because it is waters of the united states rule, martha. what you had happened, the epa a couple of years ago created a rule that literally said to the dry creek ...

Means. you'll have to get three quarters of the state. of course, i've accepted the needo get things done if you can find a statutory way to do it. the civil rights bill of '64 could have been argued against a stretching of interstate commerce clause, but it was the only way to get some rights in this country. they were never going to get three quarters of the states, including the south to go along with the civil rights laws. >> that's right. it's going to be very difficult -- >> but there's no statutory route, is there? give me one? >> really, it's going to be difficult. it's an uphill battl...

It this way because we'll never get three-quarters of the states. this is the only way to do it. we'll stretch the interstate commerce clause and get it done that way. >> the same argument finds more support under section five of the 14th amendment. that's what it was intended to do. >> which phrase? >> section five of the 14th amendment is there to make sure that congress has the power to pass sort of protective legislation, to make sure that the purposes of the 14th amendment are carried out including the equal protection clause. >> even in the private sector? >> yes. >> let's look ahead, ga...

Work because young african-american kids would look at dolls and we prefer white dolls over black dolls which meant they got the message from school that they were inferior. this isn't written in the constitution but it was a decision by the court back then. of course you have the civil rights act of 1964 which passed constitutional review based on what's called the interstate commerce clause which allows the federal government to go into the littlest store and gas station and say you cannot be discriminatory against black people because we say so. in your book you say that's covered by the te...

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