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What president-elect says or a candidate says is often different or even what they set out as president hoping tore their foreign policy or lack of involvement in the world, they often get sucked into things. we've seen it time and again. >> yeah, well, i mean things -- obviously terrible things can happen like 9/11 happened and it completely changed george bush's view of the world and view of foreign policy. i think that what trump was doing here was actually sort of taking a bipartisan slap. i think he was talking about the bush administration and the obama administration. i don't think he w...

>> well, there is always ret retrospect about how long and what we should have done. the debate then was very considerable. it's not clear in many cases that our intervention led to democracy, really triumphing immediately. i would say there were better prospects, more of a tradition culturally that might lead to that promise. i don't see that in libya, with any of the contending forces currently. >> what other concerns do you have about the downside of what is happening in the region in terms of nuclear materials and terrorism, the fact that we now have borders breaking down and a lot less co...