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We develop ways to delegitimize and prove our own values, strengthening and believing in what america and the west is about. also through things like gang intervention programs where they go to areas that are vulnerable to joining gangs. you could have intervention programs. >> melissa: i can hear people in the audience sort of yelling at their television that that's what we've been trying to do. the attacks we are talking about stem very much like what the last administration tried. while they sound like good ideas, the situation has gotten exponentially worse. >> yes, the last demonstration ...

The west and will send individuals. and unfortunately you have individual isolated incidents, lone wolves. because we in the west, muslim communities, have rejected isis and al qaeda ideology so go on internet and social media to recruit individuals. also have to look at how we've been pushing back against the ideology. we need community-led intervention programs. >> everyone keeps asking what more can be done. muslim community especially in the united states and europe asked to speak out against the attacks and done that. but get the sense there's a real fear in the united states especially b...

This is an issue and if they are willing to engage and help us to try to prevent it by either intervention programs and things like that, then that would be the best outcome that we could have of this entire chaotic situation. >> alex, thank you for joining me. >> thank you. >> and i do think we'll hear something from rolli"rolling st in the day to come. the question that everyone in hollywood is asking, can sony pictures recover from the cyberattack? i have two guests with answers. stay tuned.

Drug courts, it's something that i think other states are looking at. but we have about 96% population in our prisons now. california i think is over 160% population of their prison. so they got a real overcrowding problem. i think part of it goes back to not making thoughtful decisions about who you're sending to prison and what for. the idea that a kid has one marijuana cigarette and you send had him to prison where they can learn to really be a hardened criminal is not thoughtful public policy. use these drug courts, put intervention programs in to place, shock probation an keep those young...

Decade ago, we started looking at adjusting the penalties for criminal use of marijuana. and what we've seen is our prison populations have gone down. as a matter of fact, even president obama and eric holder looked at texas and said, what they are doing there with their drug courts, it's something that i think other states are looking at, but we have about 96% population in our prisons now. california i think is over 160% population of their prison. so they got a real overcrowding problem. i think part of it goes back to not making thoughtful decisions about who you're sending to prison and w...