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Of justice? lying to the fbi? >> i think they probably don't need to highlight that. folks will be following up on the investigation. that is a very powerful piece of leverage that federal investigators have in any interview environment. you cannot tell a lie to a federal agent in the course of an interview. >> may i give you one word to look for when we get to the transcripts? tony ornato and others? the word peacefully. i am told when we see these transcripts, in this very odd ways, all of a sudden, tony ornato and others are making this point over and over again. well, president trump said ...

>> mueller wants to interview the prepondera the president of the united states, who knows nothing, who is not target of the investigation. the president should not agree with an interview. the president should, at the most, answer written questions in a limited area and should never ever be interviewed. there there's a theory this statement was made by bob mueller in an off handed way so people like the rest of us would talk about it and the president would have a false sense of security in going into the interview. stay away from that mr. president. that interview environment is extremely da...

President. that interview environment is extremely dangerous. if he's a subject and not yet a target and they want him to become a target, they're going to ask him questions, the answers to which will move him into that target category. >> back with me is carol lee. joining the conversation, julia ainsley, nbc news national security and justice reporter. and daniel goldman, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. julie, i want to start with you. you're new to the table this block, at least from afar. how far along is the investigation? what's the sense that you're getting? ...

Rosenstein's selection of mueller to head the special counsel today when they picked bob mueller, they picked a prosecutorial assassin. that may help explain why trump's favorite tv lawyers are advising him not to sit down with mueller ever. we don't have that, but if you watch any fox news, which i've been here for the late shift this week, you were last night, you could see anyone from joe digenova to alan dershowitz to judge napolitano to chris christie telling the president whatever you do, do not walk into an interview with bob mueller. here it is. >> stay away from that, mr. president. t...

And he did it on fox news. >> stay away from that, mr. president, that interview environment is extremely dangerous. if he's a subject and not yet a target and want him to become a target, they're going to ask him questions, the answers to which will move him into that target category. >> he's not yet the president's lead criminal defense lawyer but the president doesn't have a lead criminal defense lawyer anymore. so andrew is probably as close as we'll get. let's bring in josh ernest and the rest of the panel is back with us. i'm joking, of course, about andrew, he's happy at fox news he doe...