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bakhmut in ukraine. and the reason this matters, jake, is because the fight for bakhmut, as has become the case with much of the war in ukraine, has become a war of attrition that military and intelligence officials increasingly say is really likely to turn on access to artillery ammunition, which side is able to sustain its supply of artillery ammunition the longest. one senior western intelligence official that i spoke to earlier today said in bakhmut alone, the two sides are spending up to multiple thousands of rounds of ammunition a day, which is just staggering. so what north ko...

Or not something like this is going to play to a broader american public. they have kids who are in high school who take ap classes on all kinds of subjects. ap classes are not mandated at all. so i think people get it and it's just -- you know, only time will tell. >> by the way, i think you and i are the only ones that have high school kids. >> right, i have a junior in high school. >> how delighted would you be if your kid read any book? [ laughter ] >> i love it. and by the way, when i was in high school i loved african american history. it was one of my favorite classes. >> this obviously...